Solution to Jump Problems

[raithwall]

UPDATE: This solution did not work, but I have found others. Read posts 4 and 5.

1. Put the party into a transparent portable low sky vehicle. Unlike float this allows for real jumping. With bypass objects you can bypass the outer walls, and when you land on top of objects you wanted to jump over you will get stuck inside of them. With a vehicle only the leader is shown, but you cant get past high walls and when you land on objects, you simply jump again, without getting stuck inside of them.

Im not sure if or when you need to use control vehicle. I dont think you do, because I know you can move vehicles without actually giving the party control over them.

2. Leader jumps the way hes facing. Load game info, use member order, sort the variable that deals with party direction. If its north, you will be moving north. Now move the desired height, and distance, and lower, then exit vehicle.

[Doan the Nado]

This is an excellent solution to an old problem with RPGM2. Very nice.

[Neo Samurai]

I'm surprised that after all these years of this site being around, none of us ever thought of this. It's a wonderful idea.

Good thinking, raith.

[raithwall]

Well, I dont have jumping in my game, but I tried this and unfortunately it doesn't work like I thought it would.

Party and events cannot be moved while in the air and float will not bypass the object check. Vehicles can move through the air freely, but only when control vehicle is applied, and this is the part I missed. Control vehicle gives full control to the party and wont close until 0 is pressed, making it useless for jumping.

The party move commands walk along the floor even when in a vehicle, so this method doesn't work, and wont get you past the passable object check.


But I promised you a solution to jump problems without having to script the coordinates for every wall in the game and I have come up with 3 solutions:

1. Invisible Partner: Make an event with bypass objects, bypass members, and set to follow leader and put it on every map. This event will become a stepping stone underneath the party when the party needs to climb up 1 block or climb down 1 block. It uses normal party movement commands and only jumps 1 space ahead, but can be modified to jump 2 spaces.

See next post for specific script of how to make this work.

2. Jumpable objects Bypass members: in other words objects you want to jump over need to be events. In your jump script you need to take control of every single one of these events and turn their bypass member setting on, then apply the jump. Then turn it off again. In this scenario we use float, move, float, without bypassing objects.

3. Normal jump unless scripted: Once again no bypass objects. When you approach something you want the player to be able to jump over, or on top of, you place a special event on the ground before the object that turns on a flag (The flag should be turned off in your party step indirect effect in case the player moves away) When the flag is on jump will turn on bypass objects and allow jumping in designated spots.

[raithwall]

Script for option #1
(give the event partner a character model and make it transparent)

This script allows the party to climb up or down from objects and walls no higher then 1 block. It also jumps 1 space ahead. It may be modified to jump 2 spaces ahead by rearranging the treatments.

Treatment 1: checks if you are on top of an object needing to jump down. Moves the event 1 space in front of you, then sets it to be 1 block beneath you. Event bypass member is turned off. Moves you on top of the events head, then causes you to land on the ground. If you cannot move on top of the events head, treatment 2 begins.

Treatment 2: occurs when you cant climb down. You move up 1 block and event no longer bypasses members. Tries to move you ahead 1 space. If you cant move ahead 1 space you are trying to bypass a wall and the script will end.

This script may be modified to jump 2 spaces ahead by adding treatment 1 at the end of treatment 2.
This script may be modified to only allow jumping down 1 block by removing lines 4 - 7.

------------------------------begin treatment 1------------------------------
000 game info load
001 event control: jump partner
002 Condition: event z is less then party z
003 script call 1 (sort party direction, move event 1 space ahead)
004 event info load
005 repeat condition - event z is less then party z
006 event veritcal move 1
007 condition end
008 event vertical move -16
009 temp variable 1 = party x
010 temp variable 2 = party y
011 event bypass members: no
012 script call 2 (sort party direction, move party 1 space ahead)
013 game info load
014 event bypass members: yes
015 condition party x is different from temp variable 1
016 party: landing
017 script end
018 condition end
019 condition party y is different from temp variable 2
020 party: landing
021 script end
022 condition end
-------------------------begin treatment 2-------------------------------------
023 script call 3 (sort party direction, move event 1 space opposite)
024 event info load
025 Repeat condition: event Z is less then party Z
026 event vertical move 1
027 condition end
028 party vertical move 16
029 event bypass members: no
030 script call 1 (sort party direction, move party 1 space ahead)
031 game info load
032 event bypass members: yes
033 party: landing
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Event Action script:

bypass objects: yes
bypass members: yes
To Leader: 0 frame

Call Script 1: sort party direction, move event 1 space ahead in that direction.

Call script 2: sort party direction, move party 1 space ahead in that direction.

Call script 3: sort party direction, move event 1 space backwards so that its on same space as leader again. This is necessary to begin treatment 2.

* note: call scripts may be avoided. I just didnt feel like typing the sort branch for every party direction.

[raithwall]

Okay, the event to leader can act very strangely.

First off, it doesn't pass through objects so it wont be on the lowest ground constantly. It won't pass through doors, or climb levels so it needs to be all levels, or where it can always follow the party.

Second, it circles the leader endlessly, sometimes it will end up inside of you. A script is needed to find its current location in relation to the leader and move it 1 space to be on top of him.

And sometimes the event IS on top of the leader. One time I ran into 2 of these events and wound up with a weird looking totem pole. In fact, with the right settings you can even move around with a 3 person totempole.

[Neo Samurai]

That's too bad. That would have been awesome.

BTW, in the future, there's a modify button in the right corner of your posts. Rather than making tons of posts, you can just click on that and you can add/delete anything you want from your post.

[Doan the Nado]

May 8, 2008 7:50:00 GMT -5 Neo Samurai said:

BTW, in the future, there's a modify button in the right corner of your posts. Rather than making tons of posts, you can just click on that and you can add/delete anything you want from your post.

Can we please stop harping on this? It's never been a huge issue; all of the posts had separate ideas; and they were all at separate times. The original rule that I created regarding this idea was

3. Double-posting is okay if it has been more than a day since your previous post. Otherwise, simply modify your last post and include the new info. In some cases, especially if you have a lot of long posts explaining scripts, double-posting is just fine. I just don't like to see 2 or 3 short posts in a row in a 20 minute span, all by one person.

I am now going to change this to say "okay if more than a few minutes have passed since your previous post." I never intended this to be a rule that led to complaints about double-posting. In fact, it's not even in the rules section:

Suggestions to make me like you better: The following are not actually rules, but they cover the things that really irritate me and detract from the quality of the forum. Completely ignoring these suggestions will eventually get you a warning.

So can we please put comments like these behind us?


Anyways, it's disappointing about the vehicle idea not working, because it was an elegant solution to a difficult problem. I'm interested to see what you settle on as being the best general-purpose solution.

[raithwall]

Sorry if I posted a lot, and sorry if I got anyones hopes up about that jumping solution. I have boats in my game that follow specific routes so I assumed the same thing would work for flying vehicles.

Alas, I have decided not to use long jumps. Its more trouble then its worth, its ugly, clunky, ill-designed, and I like to put directing events on floor panels I'm sure the party will step on.

I might actually keep the simple up and down jump. Its elegant, addictive, and may be used to climb panels directly above you, activate floor panels, or cause weak floors to collapse.

The script above allows you to climb up and over 1 cell blocks, and climb down from high places. It can modified to only jump up when theres nothing to climb, or take fall damage when falling too low.

It's an attractive idea because its realistic, but I have many dungeons where I don't want the party to climb 1 cell objects or fall to the lower level. I didn't design them with that feature in mind.

Sometimes I just get dragged into these things for the creative challenge of seeing what I can accomplish.