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Post by raithwall on Aug 10, 2008 22:04:02 GMT -5
This article hit me like a ton of bricks. www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/58240God's Creative Force enters humanity through a man's love for his wife and desire to raise his family in a secure and wholesome environment. It is reciprocated by a woman receiving her husband's seed (which symbolizes his spirit) and nurturing it. Thus, the Cabalist central bankers are keen to neutralize the male- female (active-passive) dynamo, by making women usurp the male role. They wish to assume the initiating male or "God" role themselves. According to the book, "Light bearers of Darkness" the Jewish Cabala is a powerful system for gaining control over people by harnessing and perverting sexual energies. (20) In "Studies in Occultism", (Quoted in "Light bearers of Darkness") Henri de Guilbert says the Cabalist Jew *"looks upon himself as the sun of humanity, the male, opposed to which other peoples are but the female, *manifesting and assuring the coming of the Messianic era. In order to realize this sociological manifestation, the Jew organically extends his influence by means of secret societies, created by him in order to spread everywhere his initiating force...(hoping to realize ) the universal republic controlled by the god of humanity, the Jew of the Cabala." (21) ERASING GENDER Thus everywhere, the cabalist bankers have used education and media to neuter the population and undermine the institution of marriage and family. "We have castrated society through fear and intimidation," Harold Rosenthal boasted in 1976. "Its manhood exists only in combination with a feminine outward appearance. Being so neutered, the populace has become docile and easily ruled. As all geldings...their thoughts are not involved with the concerns of the future and their posterity, but only with the present and with the next meal." See - "The Protocols of Zion Updated" www.savethemales.ca/000334.htmlIn a recent article, "Man-Child in the Promised Land",researcher Kay Hymowitz says American males have extended their adolescence into middle age. See - www.city-journal.org/2008/18_1_single_young_men.html"In 1970, 69 percent of 25-year-old and 85 percent of 30-year-old white men were married; in 2000, only 33 percent and 58 percent were, respectively. " "What Kind of Man Reads Playboy?" The description best fits a homosexual. See - www.savethemales.ca/000165.htmlMeanwhile women have postponed marriage and usurped the male role as protector and provider. "In 1960, 70% of American 25-year-old women were married with children; in 2000, only 25% of them were. In 1970, just 7.4% of all American 30-to 34-year-olds were unmarried; today, the number is 22%. That change took about a generation to unfold, but in Asia and Eastern Europe the transformation has been more abrupt. In today's Hungary, 30% of women in their early thirties are single, compared with 6% of their mothers' generation at the same age." See - Hymowitz, "The New Girl Power" nationalpost.com/opinion/story.html?id=140049Meanwhile an estimated one million US children were conceived using sperm donors, with 30,000 added every year. Many are born to lesbians who are determined to change the "hetero-normative" basis of society. See - www.city-journal.org/html/17_2_artificial_insemination.htmlCalifornia is at the vanguard of the plan to replace heterosexual norms with homosexual ones. See - www.newswithviews.com/Jackson/nicholas18.htmA new law requires schools "to positively portray sex changes, cross-dressing, homosexual marriages, and all aspects of bisexuality and homosexuality. This mandate affects children from kindergarten through 12th grade in California public schools. Bruce Shortt, author of "The Harsh Truth About Public Schools" notes, "No longer will children raised in these schools understand that God made us male and female. Children will be told that because there are many sexual orientations and gender identities, they simply have to reach their own conclusions about which sexual orientation and gender 'possibilities' are 'right for them.' Along with this will come the message that you really can't tell whether you like something unless you have tried it. The likely consequences of this for children, the institution of the family, our churches, and our culture are horrendous." The Christian European majority is subjected to a relentless program of social engineering by the Cabalist bankers. Brainwashed ("guilted") to think that only minorities have human rights, the majority is being undermined and transformed into "slaves who love their slavery." THE LONG TERM PLAN Who are these cabalists? For our purposes, they are the dynastic families who own the central banking cartel and dominate industry, culture and government, world wide. The names Rothschild, Warburg, Rockefeller and Schiff will suffice. War, and modern history in general, is an occult inspired charade designed to destroy Christian civilization by undermining our relationship to God, family, nation and race. The real meaning of the word "revolution" is to turn the world upside down, and place the banker in the role of God. See - "Rothschilds Conduct Red Symphony" www.savethemales.ca/000275.htmlEvery "revolution" since 1640 was dedicated to this goal. The bankers are behind all wars, and most "modern" social, political and philosophical movements, including Communism, Feminism, Diversity, Zionism, Nazism multiculturalism, post modernism, gay rights and sexual liberation. The video "The History of Political Correctness" shows that some of these movements were devised by intellectuals of "The Frankfurt School" to subvert Western civilization. Some of these "cultural Marxists" literally were Soviet NKVD Agents. See - www.savethemales.ca/000403.htmlAlmost all were Marxist Jews. The video shows how Americans were gulled to think revolution was trendy and to welcome the destruction of their society. These dupes now occupy all the positions of power in US culture. See - video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8630135369495797236Basically mankind is the victim of a "cruel hoax" of cosmic proportions. When you create money out of thin air, you can buy a lot of "change agents." Our elites actually think they are creating a better world. In fact, they are building a world police state, the "New World Order" secretly dedicated to Satan. They are complicit in the cover-up of 9-11; and the "war on terror" is a ruse to deprive us of our rights. The "Jew of the Cabala" is the central banker, his allies and minions. The average Jew doesn't know anything about this plan. However, he is wrong to assume that because he is unaware, it doesn't exist. He is wrong to assume he won't some day be blamed for it. All groups and religions have been subverted. Whether Communism or Zionism, many Jews have been duped and manipulated by organized Jewry. The average Jew is as much responsible for the NWO as the average American is responsible for the war in Iraq. However we all must take exception when our religion or nation are appropriated for evil.
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Post by raithwall on Aug 10, 2008 22:11:45 GMT -5
Why is it so HARD to find a JOB? wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com/2006/01/why-is-it-so-hard-to-find-job.htmlIn light of the news that 24,500 people applied for 325 jobs at the Wal-Mart that opened Friday just outside Chicago, I think it's appropriate to ask 'Why the is it so hard to find a job?' Are Americans too picky? Are immigrants taking all the jobs? Is it globalization? Is there something wrong with us? Are we not trying hard enough? Red-herrings, every last one of them; signs and symptoms of the same global pathology. Where there's no money, there's no work. It's as simple as that. Ask Lewis Black; he knows. Does it mean that the unemployed are inherently unproductive? Or, that all of the economy's needs are already met? Of course not. Take, for example NYC; unemployment is high, but many infrastructure projects and public services are needed. They can't be launched or provided because the city needs capital and without fail, government budgets fall short, no matter how much they collect in taxes, tolls, fares, fees, and fines. But, WHY? There is no shortage of labor and no shortage of needs. It's always a shortage of money. Pardon the vernacular, but you gotta ask yourself, why the isn't there enough money when the US Treasury prints it 24/7? The answer lies in the nature of money, debt and interest. "Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce." -- President James A. Garfield Money has no intrinsic value. Bushels of it are printed every minute by our government, at nominal cost, only by the authority vested in them by us, through the Constitution. You can't eat money, you can't ride it to work, it won't keep you warm, and it won't do the dishes. You can't do a damn thing with it; it's worthless unless someone accepts it in exchange for something of REAL VALUE - labor or goods. Money simply facilitates exchange (remember, in God we trust all others pay cash). If we didn't use a standard currency, like the dollar, we would have to barter, which for obvious reasons is terribly inefficient. Hence the term currency, from the root word current, or flow. And the only reason money is accepted in exchange for labor and goods is because the government says so. Those who accept it are receiving a promise that the next person will accept it, too. In other words, money is "valuable" by government decree. Hence, the term fiat currency. So, if money has no intrinsic value, why the is it taxed with interest from the minute it hops off the press? Logically, the government should issue this 'promise to pay,' born at the press, interest-free in order to fuel the economy by launching needed non-profit public projects. In this context, money does not "buy" productivity. It simply facilitates it. The money that circulates in the economy, as a result, now represents each person's contribution to productivity - the credit they earned. They can save it, spend it, lend it, or invest it. It never has to be returned to the government. It can continue to circulate until it is worn. When new public needs arise the government could re-use money that it earns (as a non-profit corporation) in fares and fees for productive public services. If necessary, it could borrow money that's deposited in its trust as personal savings. Anything borrowed is returned interest-free. When warranted, the government issues new currency to accomodate productive growth. In such a system, taxes would be unnecessary. Through a national network of non-profit banks, the government could also invest private money in entrepreneurial for-profit businesses that promise to employ others. In these ventures, the government assumes profit and risk on a pro-rata basis. Or, these banks could loan money interest-free to individuals or businesses that demonstrate need. Anything that is loaned, would be eventually returned, interest-free, to be loaned to someone else in need. There would be no inflation, because whether money is issued for public or private use it would only be issued and allocated according to productivity. Because money is interest-free, billions of dollars that would be otherwise siphoned from both public and private economies, through fraud or exploitation, remain available to fuel public and private productivity. But as it stands, central banks have a monopoly on issuing money; they issue it when they will and to whom they will, and they only allow it to circulate at interest. This is the crux of the problem. Central bankers take money directly off the press and create credit from thin air. They lend cash and credit at their discretion; and they expect it re-paid (as if they earned it) in the same currency, only in a greater quantity than they or the government ever issue it--which is impossible. This fraudulent system of lending at interest creates a zero-sum economy where some must lose for others to win. For example, let's say that $1000 is issued by the only bank in a fledgling nation of five. Each person borrows $200 at interest, and must compete with the others to pay off their loan, plus interest. Once 4 of them raise enough money to get out of debt, there is not enough money left circulating for the fifth to pay his debt, no matter how hard he tries. This zero-sum result is inevitable in a system based on interest because interest is NEVER issued, it's only charged. Interest is not productive. It's an instrument employed by LAZY, unimaginative investors who want to unload life's risks on to borrowers, workers, and consumers by exploiting their need for money. Interest only works in a controlled economy where the money supply is constantly "tightened." It's glaringly obvious that no one would pay interest for money they could borrow from the government interest-free - if it was available. But, it's not. So, interest acts as a giant vacuum siphoning all the money which the government supposedly issued for productive uses and channels it to inefficient, exploitative ones that bleed borrowers, workers, and consumers, alike and pits everyone against eachother. For instance, under an interest-based system, the person from our example who remains in debt will garner little sympathy if he is healthy, and suffered no natural disaster. But indeed, he is unable to pay his debt, not through his own fault, but because of a flawed monetary system. If interest were not charged, he might still fall behind others. But, if it's because of a natural disaster (Katrina) or illness, the community would gladly extend credit at no interest until the crisis passes. Or, if the loss was due to his negligence or inefficiency, he would no longer be trusted with loans. And unless he were incapacitated, he would have to work to pay it back, interest-free. That is both fair and it encourages cooperation and social resposibility. He would not be targeted, as he is now, by moneylenders who don't care if he never pays anything but interest. That is unfair and facilitates and rewards exploitation. But, private borrowing at interest is not our only problem. It gets MUCH worse. A nation that borrows money at interest (by issuing bonds), instead of issuing bills interest-free, suffers the burden of perpetual debts that increase exponentially with time because of interest. Interest on government bonds has been decimating America's physical economy and the quality and availability of its public services for decades. In 2005, the US government spent over $380 billion to pay interest on treasury bonds, almost six times the money it spent to fund education! We are kept ignorant so that central bankers and moneylenders can continue to defraud us unchallenged. On top of all this, because moneylenders "own" all the credit they extend in the economy, they are free to call in those loans at any time, plunging the entire nation into economic depression and foreclosing on all its assets. The bottomline is that with the same legal authority that our government issues bonds at interest, it can issue interest-free bills. Both are promises to pay. The latter is honest and productive, the former is fraudulent and destructive. The choice should be clear. So, when someone asks you why it's so hard to find a job, tell them that it's not their fault and that the people of this nation and the world are being manipulated and defrauded by those who control the money supply.
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Post by raithwall on Aug 10, 2008 22:19:54 GMT -5
Also, why life isnt fair www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/214I don't know anyone who doesn't know that "life isn't 'fair'." But, few - if any - ever ask WHY? There are more than 2 million inmates serving time in the United States, up from 744,000 in 1985. America has the world's highest incarceration rate, and the revolving door helps keep those prisons packed: A 2002 study by the Federal Bureau of Justice Statistics found that 52 percent of released convicts were back in jail within three years. "All of these things are terrible, BUT THEY are GOOD for BUSINESS," says Martin Roenigk, CEO of CompuDyne, a security software and hardware provider to the corrections and homeland security markets. This is a COLOSSAL conflict of interest and it's at the HEART of all this darkness - if there was NO way to PROFIT from the prison system it would shrink almost overnight. State prison systems spend more than $30 billion annually, and the Bureau of Prisons budgeted $5 billion for just 182,000 federal inmates this year. That translates into plenty of work for companies looking to crack the prison market. That's like paying each inmate $27,472.53 per year! To put that in perspective - that's more than twice what someone making $6/hr (above minimum wage) would earn in a year if he worked 40hrs/wk, with NO paid vacations. How many 'inmates' do you think had access to jobs that paid that kind of salary BEFORE they were thrown in prison??? Probably, close to NONE. Not that inmates get a salary - most work for free. Most of the budget is PROFIT reserved for those ON TOP who EXPLOIT the system to the MAX. "Our core business touches so many things - security, medicine, education, food service, maintenance, technology - that it presents ["a unique opportunity"] for any number of vendors to do business with us," says Irving Lingo, CFO at Corrections Corporation of America, the largest private prison operator in the country, with 65 facilities. CompuDyne broke into the market in the mid-'90s, when the Annapolis, Md., company was just a $20 million outfit, by purchasing two prison security businesses. The company integrated their electronic and hardware security products - lockdown control and perimeter alert systems, closed-circuit television, blast-proof doors, and bullet-resistant windows. Since then CompuDyne has ridden the prison market expansion and anticipates $60 million in prison-related sales this year on overall company revenue of $140 million. CompuDyne's latest product, MaxWall, is a modular, prefab prison cell (think high-security cubicle). What an apt analogy. MaxWall can be dropped quickly into an existing building to accommodate a growing inmate population or serve as a building block for new prison construction. With 2-inch hollow steel walls, the cells feature built-in lighting, beds, and plumbing. OMG! How many homeless people on the streets of our cities would rob, cheat or kill to have one of those??? Wait - THEY DO! BINGO! What a great way to increase the prison population - make life SO UNFAIR for those on the outside that they lash out at anyone and everyone that they see NOT KNOWING WHO TO BLAME. MaxWall, which typically sells for $14,000 to $18,000, is shipped like an erector set and stitch-welded together onsite. The cells can save 10 square feet of space each over conventional cell construction techniques, allowing prisons to accommodate more inmates. That's particularly important to prison administrators as they grapple with overcrowding and limited budgets. For example, California recently declared its prison system in a state of emergency, in large part because of a lack of cells. The feds, meanwhile, expect the Bureau of Prisons to be about 30,000 beds short by 2011. That certainly bodes well for MaxWall sales. The company has installed 4,500 cells since December 2002 and has contracts to triple that number in the next year alone. "We expect unchecked growth for the next two or three years," says CompuDyne executive Gary Mangus. So, you see - there IS a very good reason why "Life isn't 'Fair'" - because those who make the RULES make sure that it STAYS that way. Unfortunately, while our prison 'system' expands exponentially each year, the REAL criminals - those who hold the MOST contempt for everyone else who inhabits this planet, young and old - ROAM FREE.
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Post by raithwall on Aug 10, 2008 22:23:52 GMT -5
And last but not least, Why Freedom Isn't Free. wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com/2006/10/why-freedom-isnt-free.htmlEverybody, especially our elected officials, talk about how freedom isn't free.
The desired implication, of course, is that 'we the [working] people' must sacrifice our lives to maintain it. But, did you ever ask yourself why?
If people are 'born free', then why must we fight to remain free? More importantly, exactly WHO or WHAT are we supposed to be fighting?
Or better yet, why (if Americans are so free) do we work all our lives to attain 'financial freedom'?
Is this the same freedom that we fight for with guns and F16s? What's the deal?
I smell a rat.
In this excerpt, an anonymous author demonstrates how the banking system and its bastard child INTEREST, which is nothing but a nice word for legalized, government facilitated, extortion, has managed to enslave almost every American, leaving US with only the illusion of freedom.
Many people today do not understand the true nature of interest. They have no idea that there are other possibilities besides slaving one's life away for the moneylenders. . . .
All the ads that surround us are not going to help us to control our desires. On the contrary, their aim is to make us want many things that we cannot afford. If we do not make a conscious decision to control our spending, human nature will coax us along with the herd into spending more than we earn—which can only result in debt. This destroys our happiness and spending power, because we not only pay for it later, we pay for it with interest. Debt would not be so bad if you only had to pay back $10 for every $10 borrowed. But unless you borrow from generous family members, you will pay back $15, $20, or even $30 for every $10 borrowed.
Lastly, the plague of Debt Slavery can be blamed on the "system"—the credit card companies and the economy itself. The credit card companies are guilty because they send out 6 BILLION credit card offers a year to families nationwide (that is the actual number, not an exaggeration!). And when they get you to carry a balance, they only ask for a small monthly payment—which barely covers the interest on the loan, keeping their victims in debt for many years.
The economy is also to blame because there is not enough money in circulation to go around . But the credit card companies are not all-powerful—they are easily resisted. So the victims of their schemes must bear at least part of the blame. After all, I receive dozens of such offers every month, and I know what todo with them. I cast them with disgust into the trash where they belong. I react as if someone tried to chain me up and cart me off to prison (because that is what they DID try to do!)
To illustrate the evil of Debt Slavery, take a family that has a $9,000 balance (the current national average) on a credit card that has an 18 percent interest rate. Since they read How to avoid Debt Slavery, they decide to cut up the card and never use it again. Even if they pay the minimum payment of 2 percent of the balance each month, plus interest, it will take them 47 years (and close to $33,000) to pay off that $9,000 debt!
So every $3 gallon of milk cost them $12, every $50 pair of shoes cost them $190, etc. If I had to pay that much for goods and services, I'd be pretty low on cash!
Now imagine how much money they'd be giving away to the bankers if they owed $18,000, or even $25,000! They'd never be free, unless they started paying big chunks off the principal (by sending in extra payments). Now we will define Debt Slavery by what it is NOT—namely, freedom. * * *
Americans pride themselves on being free, but how free is a man who:
* Does not own his house
* Does not own his car
* Owes thousands of dollars to various banks
* Has to send his wife to work out of necessity, because his expenses are so high
* Sends his children to public school, because he cannot afford private school
* Restricts the number of children he has, because he feels he cannot afford more
* Pays a huge portion of his earnings every month to his "masters", the bankers
Those traits describe someone living in serfdom or slavery, not freedom. It describes someone living under a tyrant—who takes most of the peasant's income, and just keeps them alive enough to keep working for him. The tyrant tells them how many children they can have, and forces even women and older children into public service projects. The land, the house they sleep in, and the animals they work the fields with do not belong to the peasants, but to the tyrant.
The tyrant today is not the government (although Income Tax is something surprisingly new in our nation's history). The tyrant is the network of banks, which conspire to suck people dry at every turn, which causes such a drain that both parents have to work. This alone causes countless problems in the world today, because children were meant to be raised by their parents. They were not meant to be wards of the state.
On a side note, I am not a "good little consumer". I contribute almost nothing to the banking system—neither paying interest, nor giving them money to lend out at exorbitant rates to other people. If I kept $5,000 in the bank, they could lend out $50,000 at 6 or 7% interest, while only paying me 3% interest on that $5,000. Talk about massive profits! Banks can lend out 10X their cash reserves, due to the structure of the Fractional Reserve banking system. Now you see why the banks want your business! Whether you're a saver or a spender, they can make big money off of you.
I stick to reality—if something does not make sense (like every man, woman and child making 8% each year, every year, on the stock market) then I do not participate. Sure, money can be made on the stock market, but once in a while the whole thing crashes because it was puffed up like a marshmallow in the microwave—just begging to pop. The same with real estate. When money can be made without any effort on my part, I become VERY suspicious. How possible—or moral—can that possibly be? Who am I exploiting to make that money? I know for a fact that money cannot produce more money by just sitting there.
Damned straight it can't. Money can't walk, talk, or work, let alone 'make money.'
Our fractional reserve monetary system is a fraud compounded by interest which is nothing but legalized extortion.
Wakeup, America! International bankers and their usurious money system have done a massive bait and switch on the American people - taking away our real freedom and sending us to kill and die not to protect 'our freedoms' but to enslave others.
So, next time someone tells you freedom isn't free, tell them it would be if it weren't paid for in phoney dollars - AT INTEREST.
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Post by dailycolbert on Aug 12, 2008 4:00:49 GMT -5
I found them to be good reads. Thanks.
For a long time I have thought that the reason we attacked Iraq was simply to help Isreal (and unfortunately suffer ourselves as a result), and I'm glad to see others are also aware that it wasn't to simply "fight for freedom" as Bush repeatedly says. In fact, being obedient to a greater power like the U.S. government is the exact opposite of "fighting for freedom" - it's giving up your freedom! This is part of why Ron Paul was such a great candidate - he said "True patriotism is standing up to the government and fighting for what you believe in"!
It really is a shame more Americans don't ask why and seek answers before making decisions - like "Why did AL-QUEDA attack US in particular on 9-11? Why did the U.S. invade Iraq? Why Iran and not Osama?" Even if someone doesn't know the answers to those questions, it's only logical to realize that there must be concrete reasons out there. So search for them! Argh...
Which brings me to a question for you: what do you think of Obama? Unfortunately, if someone is pulling the strings, he's only a mere puppet (that's my fear) and will be forced to do things he doesn't want to do (such as invade Iran). On the other hand, he may be able to do as he wishes: pull out of Iraq, go after Osama, and not invade Iran. And, as a bonus (maybe), because he's going to open up the lines of communications with our enemies (as Bush calls it "Negotiate with terrorists", ugh!), he could even end the "War on Terror." Let's cross our fingers.
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Post by raithwall on Aug 12, 2008 21:45:00 GMT -5
Well, on the surface Barack Obama seems like the best presidential candidate to come along in quite a while. He seems determined to change things for the better. I sometimes have a sense about this. Back when I was kid and asked to choose between Bush senior, Clinton, and I think the other was Russ Perot, I knew Bush would win, I had a feeling about that though I didn't care about it or know anything about politics or statistics. And now I have a feeling that Obama will win and have had from the first time I saw him. He'll probably be a great president, but I don't expect him to change the world, undo what has been done, or change the direction of things for the better. I'll be happy if he can do something about the war though.
Since Bush is connected with the Freemasons who are in turn connected with the Illuminati and rule from behind the scenes I see no reason why they would contradict themselves, except maybe because a lot of people are getting unhappy with Bush. All in all its impossible to know whether our presidents are puppets or wind up becoming puppets.
However, I would be willing to bet money that Ron Paul, Ralph Nader, and anyone else who proposed to legalize Marijuana are definitely not involved in any conspiracies. Other reasons aside the legalization of weed will never happen in the US because drug possession and dealing are easy excuses to put someone in prison and/or fine them.
If the Presidents are to be made puppets of these orders or have become to threat to them they will probably be shot like Lincoln, JFK, Martin Luther King, etc.
I was watching a documentary the other night with evidence that many of our presidents had consulted with psychics about various things, though their final decisions would of their own accord. It also showed an Indian curse that was placed on USA a long time ago. Every 20 years one of our presidents would die in the white house. This curse was successful and killed our presidents 6 or 7 times. The last one was in 1980 I believe, and this president barely survived, but he did survive and the curse was ended.
In each of us there is a desire to help and serve others, but this desire is overwhelmingly chewed up at work. As a result many of us are very particular about what little free time we actually have and we mainly want to use it for having fun. After a long day of serving people with a smile on your face the last thing you want to do is go out of your way to help someone for no reason.
Here in the modern world we require waiting and hundreds of forms just to do anything, we invent all sorts of meaningless ways people are forced to endure to waste their time. So that they can't spend their time thinking, researching, debating, or socializing.
I cant name the number of times I was unable to share something with someone because of how busy they were. These people don't have time to sit around and talk about the meaning of life, their too busy living it, or existing it.
The modern world is a very very delicious cake... unfortunately you cant have your cake and eat it too, unless of course your the baker.
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Post by raithwall on Aug 13, 2008 9:58:49 GMT -5
"Too many Jews do not have the guts to tell you how we live and plan, but I am not intimated by anything or anyone," Rosenthal told White.
"It is too late for your Christian followers to put up a defence. That time is long past. Long, long ago we had to become the aggressors! That is undoubtedly one of our great purposes in life. We are aggressors!"
This shocking 17-page interview, which contradicts the Jewish image as victims, has been online for some time. It ranks with the revelations of Benjamin Freedman, and C.G. Rakovsky as a description of the real forces directing the world.
Rosenthal needed gambling money but his candor cost him his life. On Aug. 12, 1976, he was killed in a foiled skyjacking in Istanbul. Walter White concluded that the incident was a cover for Rosenthal's murder.
A commemorative Rosenthal "Fellowship in International Relations" discreetly furthers the work he indiscreetly exposed. Oddly, there is no picture of Rosenthal on their web site.
The interview is virulently anti Semitic in the sense that both men characterize this conspiracy as "Jewish" and make many nasty racist generalizations. In fact, "the Jews" are really the Rothschilds and a few hundred banking families and their non-Jewish allies united by intermarriage and occult beliefs. The vast majority of Jews like other people are unaware of this plot and would oppose it if they were. Jews are as much its unwitting dupes and victims as anyone else.
The Rothschilds set up the Illuminati in 1776 to subvert the Christian basis of Western Civilization. They took over much of Freemasonry and used it to infiltrate all social institutions. Mouthing words like "freedom," "equality" and "progress," they are bent on melding family, race, religion, and nation into a malleable mush. Their world police state, now called "globalization," lies behind the facade of "The Patriot Act" and "The War on Terror."
Rosenthal says, "Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer...and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much alive."
This statement applies to modern culture as a whole. We do not like to admit that our "secular" society is based on a cosmic rebellion against God. Its true satanic character is becoming more evident every day.
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Rosenthal says the "Jews" have built an earthly empire partly by rejecting Christ's vision of a spiritual kingdom based on brotherly love. Jewish bankers plan to govern the world from Jerusalem according to their own interests.
He says the Jewish religion is essentially a disguise for a racial imperative. "We can live among other people and states [by] persuading them that the Jews are not a distinct people but the representatives of a religious faith..."
"Jewish" power was created through control of the monetary system.
"Through our national bank, the Federal Reserve, we extend book credit which we create from nothing to all local banks ...[Thus] we bring industry, management and labour into our debt...and pit management against labour so they will never unite and attack us and usher in a debt-free industrial utopia."
Through control of banking, the "Jews" acquired a total monopoly of "the movie industry, the radio networks and the newly developing television media...we took over the publication of all school materials... Even your music! We censor the songs released for publication long before they reach the publishers...we will have complete control of your thinking."
He boasts that they even implanted a "guilt complex" over the Holocaust and anti Semitism that prevents society from addressing the problem.
"We Jews have put issue upon issue to the American people. Then we promote both sides of the issue as confusion reigns. With their eyes fixed on the issues, they fail to see who is behind every scene. We Jews toy with the American public as a cat toys with a mouse."
Rosenthal avers that society can only escape this death clutch by violent action not education.
"History has been written in blood, not with ink. No letter, editorial or book has ever rallied the people or stopped tyranny. We understand this principle and are forever propagandizing the people to write letters to the President, to Congress...Woe be unto us if they ever see the futility of it, lay down the pen and employ the sword."
But Rosenthal is not worried. Alluding to the promotion of feminism and homosexuality, he says:
"We have castrated society through fear and intimidation. Its manhood exists only in combination with a feminine outward appearance. Being so neutered, the populace has become docile and easily ruled. As all geldings...their thoughts are not involved with the concerns of the future and their posterity, but only with the present and with the next meal."
Rosenthal talks about how a "Jewish" invisible government also controls the USSR, and how the UN is "nothing but a trap door to the Red World's immense concentration camp." He says this invisible power is responsible for the wars and revolutions of the last 200 years.
At times the interview seems almost too damning, and we wonder if it is authentic. Why would someone who says he aspires to national prominence allow such an interview to be taped? Couldn't he be blackmailed? He makes many unflattering and untrue generalizations about Jews, which also seems implausible. At times he veers widely from arrogance to insecurity. At one point, he says Jews have made plans to pack up and flee.
Ultimately you will make up your own mind. I believe the contradictions are due to self-hatred and a subconscious desire for expiation. The interview contains many insights only an insider could have, for eg. the references to Lucifer, religion/race and violent change. They are consistent with my information.
The tone of racial arrogance also rings true. Rosenthal expresses incredulity at the spinelessness and gullibility of the American people. He says a Jew remains a Jew whether he converts to another religion or not. I doubt if a Christian Conservative like Walter White would pull off the kind of stunt he condemns "the Jews" for doing.
CONCLUSION
Walter White seems to think the "Jews" are the "ringleaders" of the Luciferianism cabal known as "Mystery Babylon." Certainly the Rothschilds are central players but the cast is large and includes many others.
By presenting this information, I am trying to inspire Jews and non-Jews alike to remove the media blindfold and recognize that Luciferians have hijacked humanity and modern culture largely is a fraud designed to disguise this fact.
True culture is based on religion, i.e. a collective commitment to spiritual ideals such as absolute justice, love, beauty and truth. "God is a Spirit and we worship him in Spirit and in Truth," Christ said. (John 4:24)
We are living in the twilight of Christian culture. We have no genuine ideals to take its place. The elite's Orwellian doublespeak (selectively applied "freedom", "tolerance," "diversity," "human rights" and "equality") is manipulation and mind control.
Jews will have to disown organized Jewry, which is controlled by the bankers. Fifty per cent of American Jews do not identify with Judaism in any way. The number that converted to another religion more than doubled since 1990 and now represents 25% of the total.
However most Jews, like non-Jews, are "secular humanists" which is Luciferianism in disguise. Humanism is the notion that man can build a utopia based on "reason." In practice, humanism is a front for the Illuminist bankers and their allies.
Reason cannot be divorced from morality. Remember I am the inventor of Scruples. "You find a wallet containing $3000. By the address you can tell the owner is wealthy. Your family is hungry. Do you keep the money?" That would be reasonable.
Humanism holds that man is already divine and therefore free to indulge his appetites and reject God's Plan. This is what the humanist means when he preaches "freedom."
In fact humanity is still very much a work in progress. We were put on earth to embody God's Plan, (i.e. spiritual ideals.) God did not give us freedom so we could fail.
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Post by Doan the Nado on Aug 14, 2008 4:27:12 GMT -5
I believe in free speech, so I will be leaving this thread alone, but I do not endorse, promote, or believe in the vast majority of the ideas presented in this thread. That's all I'm going to say on the matter.
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Post by dailycolbert on Aug 14, 2008 17:49:04 GMT -5
I find some of it to be somewhat phobic such as homosexuality replacing heterosexuality as the norm. I think they just want gay people to not be looked down on and instead looked upon as equals. This is what I would call a gray area anyways seeing as faith doesn't equal morality, and one can, for example, see nothing wrong with masturbation while despising the act of rape (one creates a clear victim and causes suffering, the other doesn't).
Most of it is scary however, such as how the U.S. people are losing their morality. For example, just look at how many people now-a-days think there is absolutely nothing wrong with theft (or the positive-spin phrase, 'illegal downloading'). Even the rich steal constantly today. And, crime is at an all-time high (even higher than during the Great Depression when people were poorer than they are now), and that's not even counting all the illegal downloaders and other fugitives that never get caught.
I do want to say, though, that morality doesn't always accompany faith and faith doesn't always accompany morality. Usually it does, but not always.
FYI, Ron Paul once said that there's "a group of people behind the scenes that control both Democrats and Republicans." Most people that know that quote from Ron Paul think he was talking about the Cabala, but nonetheless it's one of the reasons why I always say he's the best candidate of them all - whatever he knows, the public must know! I think Ron Paul's political career is only still intact because of how vague he was when he said that. Note that I am not saying with certainty that that is what he meant, just that we, the people, need to know what he knows (and that might happen if became president).
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Post by raithwall on Aug 14, 2008 20:55:45 GMT -5
I believe in free speech, so I will be leaving this thread alone, but I do not endorse, promote, or believe in the vast majority of the ideas presented in this thread. That's all I'm going to say on the matter. "I may not agree with what you said, but I'll defend to the death you're right to say it." Also, Doan, you can ask that I not post ideas like these. You are the owner of this board and I will abide by what you ask of me. In truth I'm only posting here because my WoW account is inactivate of else I'd go to the offtopic forums. I think its interesting to debate here as long as we don't take our selves too seriously.
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Post by raithwall on Aug 14, 2008 21:04:25 GMT -5
I find some of it to be somewhat phobic such as homosexuality replacing heterosexuality as the norm. I think they just want gay people to not be looked down on and instead looked upon as equals. This is what I would call a gray area anyways seeing as faith doesn't equal morality, and one can, for example, see nothing wrong with masturbation while despising the act of rape (one creates a clear victim and causes suffering, the other doesn't). Most of it is scary however, such as how the U.S. people are losing their morality. For example, just look at how many people now-a-days think there is absolutely nothing wrong with theft (or the positive-spin phrase, 'illegal downloading'). Even the rich steal constantly today. And, crime is at an all-time high (even higher than during the Great Depression when people were poorer than they are now), and that's not even counting all the illegal downloaders and other fugitives that never get caught. I do want to say, though, that morality doesn't always accompany faith and faith doesn't always accompany morality. Usually it does, but not always. FYI, Ron Paul once said that there's "a group of people behind the scenes that control both Democrats and Republicans." Most people that know that quote from Ron Paul think he was talking about the Cabala, but nonetheless it's one of the reasons why I always say he's the best candidate of them all - whatever he knows, the public must know! I think Ron Paul's political career is only still intact because of how vague he was when he said that. Note that I am not saying with certainty that that is what he meant, just that we, the people, need to know what he knows (and that might happen if became president). 1) Im not entirely sure how exactly Cabala is used to manipulate sexual energies. More research is indicated. However, when you feel you do not have power and your opinion does not matter you DO feel more like a woman then a man. Its sad that children are being taught to "experiment" at such an early age under the guise of some ill begotten need for "tolerance." Im not saying I have any problem with Gays per say. Life extends from a persons beliefs and perceptions about reality. The world is a place for everyone, so I could easily have friends who are Gay, or even Satanist and not have any worries, and I do as a matter of fact. Personally, though, when I have gay thoughts they are from a feminine me who imagines what life would be like if he were a girl so its not actually "gay" its just the other side of being straight. Masturbation vs Rape: what are you kidding me? For some the former might be the only thing stopping them from doing the latter. If you could satisfy every desire in your mind then you would want your body to follow a completely logical and moral path, right? I mean why not if you stand to benefit? Even so Jesus did say that even seeing another woman and thinking about her lustfully was an act of adultery in ones heart. Its just more evidence that no matter how noble a human may aspire an impure glass of water remains impure no matter how much pure water you add. In other words no one is perfect. Jesus fulfilled every sign and every prophesy, and the Bible has a legendary track record regarding prophecies being fulfilled. A truely intelligent person must take that into account and keep an open mind at the very least. Either you want a society based on truth, love, and courage, or one thats based on suspecion, violence, and money. Who among you cares enough about their eternal soul as to be righteous and kind simply out of fear of going to hell? Very few of us these days. We as human beings are taught that we are insignificant and should feel insignificiant. Even if, as an atheist, you conclude you are only out for yourself because when you die there is nothing, surely a world we give to one another as friends and try to enrich each others lives is better then one where we take from one another for own gains. You see, even if Jesus is completely false that doesn't mean we can't make him real in the sense of using his ideology to found a better world. That is the point everyone has completely missed. Illuminati Jews who kill their own kind, they are already defeated philosophically. What goes around does come around and they will get theirs in the end. 2) This is exactly what the new world order is against: a lot of people calling each other "friend" and "sharing" things. File sharing over the internet is THAT except I don't personally know everyone I download from. I suppose it is the Karma of a thief to steal and be stolen from, or perhaps to steal if you are stolen from. I mean what, are you upset that some rich people might have a life of only semi luxury now? (south park) In truth who determines who should have xxx number of money? For anyone who has any religious aspirations there is no justice in the here and now, this life is a test for the sake of the next. In all things you either believe in God, or in Man and his ability to make a super computer based on God that will replace God like a stone Idol from Babylon, but able to know everything about everyone through surveilence and make accurate decisions. If Armageddon ISNT happening, I guarantee you THAT is where its heading. 3) Thats a good point, but more then often it would, particulary TRUE Christian belief. Our belief is that the more we serve others the better we are in the next life. IF we all followed that then we would all be eager to enrich each others lives and have room to personally know many of us, and our lives would be nothing but awesome. But as it is, we have to lock our doors at night and maintain an eternal distance from one another. There are those of us who know this, but we are scattered. It is like the interview suggested: True culture is based on religion, i.e. a collective commitment to spiritual ideals such as absolute justice, love, beauty and truth. We are living in the twilight of Christian culture. We have no genuine ideals to take its place. The elite's Orwellian doublespeak is manipulation and mind control. Also, since America is a place where the popular majority tend to determine things, making the situation so that we do not talk to each other can only benefit those who are in charge. Speaking of Mind Control, I might point out that: 1) There are satelites that watch our every move, and those who have certain chips in their bodies like Europes digital angel money chip, can be tracked via satelite. 2) government sponsored projects like H.A.A.R.P, remote viewing, etc. These are both heavy topics that you should Google. Mind control is a scary thing. Only the people who have a very strong sense of who they are and their reality will escape, at least I hope. Whose to say if even we are vulnurable to such manipulation.
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Post by The Smurf on Aug 15, 2008 0:01:05 GMT -5
The problem with many, many Americans in today's society is that not only do they want something for nothing, they feel they're entitled to it. What people truly need to understand is that there is no such thing as a free lunch. File sharing, for instance, is completely wrong. Not only is it downright theft, it discourages the production of music.
Let me say this. I don't hate Republicans, I don't hate Democrats, I don't hate religion. However, that said, the idea that man must live his life in fear of hell ... the idea that it is virtuous to give your bread to your neighbor and starve to death yourself ... the idea that everyone belongs to everyone else ... if these arguements are being used to fight for freedom, then you are staring a contradiction in the face. Freedom can be broken into free speech and free will. In societies as we've seen throughout history that live in fear of damnation and hellfire, these freedoms do not exist. Man cannot speak a word against the leaders, else he is considered a heretic. Man cannot put his thoughts into action, else he's a heretic. Look at the witch hunts. We've seen societies crumble due to the oppression of free will and free speech.
If you truly believe in attaining freedom for all people, then again, you need to check your premises. A contradiction still exists. You condemn banks for attempting to make profits. Yet is it not their freedom to do so? A man's purpose in life is to live, otherwise he no longer exists. Therefore, he must consider his needs before anything else. An entrepreneur who pioneers a business, such as a bank, is not allowed to keep the rewards he has earned by creating his business? An artist who creates a painting, a song, or a story is not allowed to claim the profits he has earned by creating it? And this is considered freedom?
You also hint that man is inherently evil, and that no matter how noble he is he cannot escape this original sin. Again I ask, then how can he ever be free? If, no matter what man does, he will always remain evil, where then is the incentive to do good? If man is condemned before he lives, his free will is not real. This man can never know freedom, and your arguement is moot.
You continue to condemn man for his ability to think. In doing this you rank man lower than the beasts, for they live based on instinct and "love" rather than by logic. I ask you, has love ever built a city from a pile of rubble, solved a complex equation, or developed a system to maximize output and minimize cost? The clear answer is NO. The heart has no capacity to accomplish these tasks, but the mind does, and the mind has. You condemn man's mind as the pathway to Armageddon. Yet, it is man's mind that has created the world around you.
A world in which each man no longer thinks of himself and thinks only of the man to his right is a world that is doomed to crumble. In that world, those who are able are forced to work while those who need are allowed to sleep. And in the end, those who are able must give all of their earnings then to those who have done nothing. They then receive nothing in return. The ones who are able begin to realize that they are starving and that the man who does nothing eats, so the men who were once the productive force now turn to loafing. The men who are not able to produce still cannot produce anything. Men strive to be the worst they can be, so that they can live. Otherwise they martyr themselves for the "noble" cause of the "collective spirit." As the best workers begin to stop working the world is left with the worst. And then it can no longer support itself. As man is forced to allow men to feed off of his own lifeblood by the "kindness" of his heart, his species begins to die out. In the end, it is the mindset of selflessness that causes the end of man.
You also condemn money as being in the same category as suspicion and violence. But it is not. Money is the sign of man's mind in action. Money is proof that a man has the ability to create it. As Francisco d'Anconia said in the novel Atlas Shrugged, the English language is the only language to contain the phrase "to make money." Man has the power to make money by using his mind to create, to construct, to build, to attain. As a man works, his mind develops a way to accomplish his task as fast as he can, using as little effort as possible, while still producing the same result. Doing so saves time, which then saves money. By cutting costs of production in this sense, man has increased his profits, thereby "making" money for himself. In the process the man has learned, developed, and now ultimately produces better and more efficiently than before. This increases the productive capacity of his business which increases the productive capacity of the country, expanding our economy.
You condemn "those who are in charge," who I can only interperet to mean the business leaders. But have you stopped to think what put them in charge? Man rises to power through his ability to continually accomplish, to get better, to learn and produce more. As he becomes wiser, more efficient, and more productive he gains his power. The men at the top are there because they are the best. And again, you argue that America is a place in which the popular majority decide things. But this is a testament to freedom? I hardly think so.
You speak of atheism as the ultimate zero. This is, once again, a contradiction. Atheism is based on the idea that man has inherent free will and that he is not obliged to serve anybody, deity or otherwise. He serves because he seeks to gain from serving. He offers services not for free, but for the cost he feels his effort is worth. The ultimate zero is Atheism's antithesis, in which only those who are least able and most in need are considered ideal. The antithesis to Atheism views the zero as its ideal form, where nobody is better than anybody else, and all are nothing. Atheism considers self-interest above the interest of other men, and if you understand the nature of self-interest, you understand that it is the factor that keeps the economy afloat.
Men wish to gain from each other, and so they engage in trade. Men offer goods and services in exchange for other goods and services that are worth the same. It is in man's self-interest to produce what others want to buy, or else he won't make any money. Therefore, by producing what the economy needs, a man serves both his own self-interest and the social interest, without the intervention of the government. It was Adam Smith who suggested that the economy is guided by the invisible hand, and that by following one's own self-interest, which is to live and to make money, he produces what is best for the economy and the social interest in the most innovative, efficient, and intelligent way.
In conclusion, I want to make it completely clear that I am not attacking you. I disagree with most of your views, and I am providing my counter arguement. I do not know you, I do not hate you, and I certainly do not want anything to be mean-spirited or nasty. You are entitled to believe what you want to believe and say what you want to say, as am I, and I respect that completely. That said, I do hope that you read and consider my arguements. I have no intention or desire to change what you believe or what you think. But I want to provide the other side of the arguement.
Meanwhile, I'm going to shut up and go to bed.
-the smurf
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Post by dailycolbert on Aug 15, 2008 4:31:56 GMT -5
I just want to elaborate on one of The Spirit of Radio's points:
In a purely hypothetical situation, what would happen to the music industry if 100% of the world's population downloaded it illegally? The world would produce no music at all. Music could be a hobby, but no one could write, perform, and produce music for a job. Time is money (writing music), studio equipment costs money (performing music), and distributing songs costs money (producing music). This money comes from the consumers of music, but in a world where no one purchased music, there's be no money to fund music creation.
What is happening now:
I don't know the exact percentage, but let's say 30% of people illegally download music. Well, record companies just higher 30% fewer musicians. If they only sign the more potentially successful musicians, they'll still profit all the same. The record companies aren't hurting at all. The only time they will is when 100% of the world's population illegally download music and they are actually run out of business. Instead right now, (going with 30% still) 30% of the musicians (composers and performers), studio owners, talent scouts, etc. are out of jobs.
Bottom-line:
Sure, (I saw that episode too, but it sucked) talentless hacks like Britney Spears don't deserve the money, but that doesn't mean others like Nobuo Uematsu, John Williams, etc. don't deserve the money too. Also, just because John Williams became rich from his music, doesn't mean you should have the right nor does it mean it's just to steal from him (or the record company that put money into finding him, paying rent for the recording studios, etc.). I think this is what The Spirit of Radio meant. People will do what they want to get what they want, and think they're entitled to it.
The only time file-sharing could not be considered theft/wrong is if the person only illegally downloads it to sample it, then legally purchases whatever MP3s, WAVs, etc. they find enjoyable. Unfortunately, very few actually do that.
Money is not the root of all evil. Just look at how many people do evil things when money is not involved. In fact, saying that money is the root of all evil is a way of shirking responsibility for one's actions. "Oh, I'm not evil. It's the money's fault." This is very similar to "Oh, I'm not evil. It's the drug's fault." Fortunately, this defense doesn't stand up in court. Unfortunately, most thieves don't get caught.
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Post by raithwall on Aug 15, 2008 7:47:07 GMT -5
These are my exact sentiments as well. I want to keep it friendly here, its the arguments that are deliciously ruthless. Being a Gemini I can appreciate the other side of an argument. I apologize if my points were incoherent, I was drunk at the time so I may not have been clear. If you really want to know where I come from, then read everything by Robert Anton Wilson, but especially The Cosmic Trigger, Illuminatus, and Shroedingers Cat. My counterpoints are this: 1) Atheism: I said its 0=0 because it is complete lack of any spiritual progress. The term 0=0 refers to other magical grades like 9=2 (to mega therion). That being said it is also absolute devotion to truth via the scientific method. If a Religion ask you to be moral, then is it not also moral to only believe in what can absolutely be proven one way or another? Lets consider the creation of the universe. No matter how far back you go you can't get something from nothing, that is the realm of magic, but for something to exist it must have an origin. Herein lies a problem. At the very least there must be an energy which is eternal and yet does not exist and does not need to have an origin, it simply has always existed. This is like the 3 veils of negative existence in the Cabala, nothing, everything, and eternal. Also I find it fascinating there are 10 dimensions in physics and 10 sepheroth in the Tree of Life. Check out www.tenthdimension.com/medialinks.php2) A world where we care about others may be doomed to crumble, but a world where we all are selfish already IS crumbling because we are so money driven and disrespectful we are destroying our own planet. If we could somehow stop all the cars and pollution right now we "might" be okay. 2050-2100 we will see much of the worlds food supply and the rainforests vanish due to global warming and at the same time double our population. This is just one example of how we're burning the candle at both ends, there are 3 other horsemen after all. If you think a world where we care for others would crumble then you clearly haven't given it much thought or else how did you fail to realize that if another person is giving you won't starve? In an ideal world we could triumph over any problem. Sure we can make 5000 minute man missles, 100 of which could nuke the entire surface of the earth, we can crack the humen genome, but we still can't solve the most basic problems that plague our species as a whole. Is that even excusable? But I admit we have a come a long way from the days of old. Days when little 4 year old girls were executed for "seducing men" and charged with consorting with demons and sorcerers. Days when no one had a heart and we all did the wickedest of things without hesitation. If I compare man to a beast I would say that the beast is smarter in an intuitive way, has better senses, and is at least incapable of evil. The society of animals is fascinating and in some ways more enlightened then our own. We would seem very illogical to them. 3) Im not saying we're evil so much as I'm saying we're not perfect. In truth I would love to see our society evolve into Star Trek, oh wait Star Trek also evolved beyond the need for money. Speaking of money, those of us who didn't go to college can't get enough of it to do anything. Many have to have 2 or 3 jobs just to make ends meet. Don't you see a problem with that? Also they change the hours and mess with everyones biological clocks like it was nothing. I know that anything worth doing in life has risk, but when going into debt is the American way the last thing anyone needs is legalized extortion buying out their rights. I mean Britain is their country, if we don't like it we can leave and go found America, but what can we found if we don't like America? "its theirs they can charge whatever they want" To me this is full of fail. This very principle is what will enslave everyone in the new world order. When we are powerless and they can do whatever they want without adherring to any moral standards we are finished. 4) Personally I don't see much of a difference between file sharing and Radio / TV. I had always thought that the Spirit of Radio (Rush) WAS the spirit of playing it for free. I guess it just seems like the Manitees here, either everything is okay to write about or none of it is. Personally if I like something enough I will own it and collect it. I don't even need to do filesharing. I just buy the CDs, copy the music to my harddrive and resell them, which is completely legal, sometimes profitable, and gets my Ebay feedback higher. I guess the difference is that this method depends on the CDs actually being made. I suppose if everyone downloaded music there would be a problem, but in actuality only the poor are going to do that. People have been buying CDs and recording them to blank tapes for decades now, and the music industry hasn't gone up in smoke. I see no difference with the difficulty of finding new musicians, in fact the less popular you are the less likely anyone is going to be out there on the net sharing your music for free. Plus if your good people will still come to your concerts. This to me speaks volumes. I don't know why I feel the need to say anything here when this quote is completely evident of everything I've said and sums up all of my arguments quite nicely: You want to be the burning star in a world where everyone else has fizzled out and died. Such is the way of this world... The person who doesn't want to be like everyone else is saying there is a problem with everyone else, things are not right, I am different. But should there be a problem with everyone else? In the earth there is coal and there are diamonds. Coal is more abundant, but Diamonds are valuable. So it is with human beings... But then if there were only diamonds the diamonds wouldn't be valuable anymore now would they? Thats kind of a selfish way of looking at it though. I suppose that an ideal world would be a world where there are only diamonds and everyone could be rich, but no one can see the light of the stars until the sky is painted black... Wait, is this my argument or yours, Im getting confused now. Bah Im tired and need to go to bed.
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Post by raithwall on Aug 15, 2008 11:22:03 GMT -5
BTW Dailycolbert, its interesting that you mentioned Nobou Uematsu.
Is it considered stealing if I record songs from my final fantasy games to my harddrive?
Are you also a fan of his new project The Black Mages where he works with a metal band?
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Post by dailycolbert on Aug 16, 2008 18:44:07 GMT -5
I chose Nobuo Uematsu and John Williams because I figured no one would ever try to argue that they are undeserving of their success, even if the popularity of Final Fantasy and Star Wars gave them a boost. This is the first I've heard of the metal Nobuo music, but by the sounds of it, it might turn out good (like Baten Kaitos's soundtrack, which had lots of electric guitar, etc. in it but also a lot of orchestral instruments too).
And I'm beginning not to like this either. It sounds very hypocritical when you talk down to atheists and agnostics for immorality when you yourself conduct unethical business practices.
Also, thinking that a society where everyone helps others more than themselves is even possible is very idealistic.
At first I was pleased by (it seemed) you also thinking we should break off ties with Isreal, but that message seems to have been lost in a vast sea of silliness. Still, it's not as silly as the opposite: thinking that there's nothing wrong with our government and that nothing needs to change.
And I share the same sentiment of not wanting this to become about personal attacks.
edit: Oh, by 'break off ties with Isreal' I just meant we should end our alliance and instead be neutral in the war over Jerusalem.
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Post by raithwall on Aug 17, 2008 0:42:46 GMT -5
This is the first I've heard of the metal Nobuo music, but by the sounds of it, it might turn out good And I'm beginning not to like this either. It sounds very hypocritical when you talk down to atheists and agnostics for immorality when you yourself conduct unethical business practices. The Black Mages are among my favorites. Id tell you check them out, but Im sure the only way you're do that if if you could find an actual CD somewhere at the ends of the earth. I got mine from a huge collection of final fantasy music, which is just a shortcut for me because I own all the games anyway. So rather then waste my time recording every song. 1) I wasn't "talking down to Atheists" on the contrary I commend their absolute devotion to Truth. I had said they are 0 on a scale that measures actual spirituality. In other words I rate a witch, satanist, or practitioner of an occult science higher, because when your invoking demons by the name of God "Adonai" you have already proven that God exists. People who work with black magic are already beyond this question so of course they look down on them. Ironic that one has to sell their soul to confirm its existence and the word of knowing someone who has lends no credit here. 2) An Ideal World: when I speak of a society based on ideology and strong Christian morals know that it can and has worked. Many were here in America in the 1800s. There is a group of people who live in America today. They live in villages of 100-150 and when they get bigger they split in half. Its a place where everyone knows each others name and theres no division of belief. Unfortunately they reject technology completely. Heh maybe for them its a good thing. 3) And I still don't see why anyone is so upset about file sharing. I've already stated that it is nothing more then a shortcut. Its not unethical business because its not business to begin with. Its the same thing if I buy and sell a used CD online and record the music for myself while Im at it, which is what I do anyway. The stuff I download is either impossible to find or Anime. You think it would be any better if no one could record anything? The popular bands already produce music videos and put all their best songs on the radio. So if it was a choice between buying the CD for the crap songs or nothing, Id still choose nothing, who wouldn't. Honestly, I fail to see how anyone is losing money over this. Why not stop the radio while we're at it. The real reason people are doing it is because we're lazy. Its easier to manage a collection of music on a harddrive then constantly flip CDs that eventually get full of scratches. See it for what it really is: a silly excuse to sue someone and get a lot of money. Manmade laws are stupid anyway. In Italy you can piss on the sidewalk while in Bangkok you'll get thrown in prison for throwing gum on the road. I know I'm not perfect because I don't take heed of every little one of them. If your having a rough time its because everyone is jaded to new authors, musicians, etc. Edgar Allan Poe could not get published by a professional publishing company and had to go print on demand for a while. You could be the next Elvis Presley and still be stuck because no one wants to take a chance. Thats the downside of Capitalist America, you can only do what is profitable there is no room for mistakes. Its why things are so bad. Take money out of the equation and popularity can be decided based on true popular interest: everyone having a chance and the popular prevailing. Money truely is the root of all evil. Also I dont see these as "attacks" at all. Theres no reason to take anything personal, but if thats whats happening then I guess we should stop.
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Post by dailycolbert on Aug 17, 2008 13:39:20 GMT -5
It's just that, being someone who's been suffering tremendously his whole life, I get unbelievably upset when I see other people do bad stuff and get away with it unscathed. It's because the world isn't fair and there's no justice, and I know it all too well. That's why I'm an Atheist, because I know how cruel, vicious, and vindictive God is. This is why most agnostics become atheists. It takes a real leap to go from having no idea what to believe in to insisting there's no God. Bottomeline, most atheists are only atheists because of how much they've suffered at God's bloody hands (for no reason at all).
Selling stuff on ebay is a business for many, and it sounded so for you.
I still can't see how you don't see the connection between file sharing and a loss of jobs because one of your points was where there's no money there can't be jobs. Without a chance to profit from music, no one can create music for a living. Thankfully, now, most people over 40 don't file share, but that won't be the case when today's 30 year-olds are tomorrow's 90 year-olds. You need to look down the road. And, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
Same goes for burning CDs, which if not already illegal, should be. Either way, you're taking something that doesn't belong to you and that makes it theft. Burning CDs can destroy the rental business for every form of entertainment, plus drastically shrink the entire industry for every form of entertainment.
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Post by raithwall on Aug 18, 2008 15:22:34 GMT -5
Now I see where your coming from. By that logic I would be an atheist too if I didn't already know better. God has ignored my every prayer and took away many people in my life and in my family. I feel like I've been wandering blind my whole life.
But since I have little in this life I am making an investment in the next, which seems to be Christianities main point - that satan rules this world and God has given up on it, so just be kind and serve others and your place in the next one will be big. I refuse to believe there is nothing after death, and if theres reincarnation then I don't need to believe in it, so belief in heaven and hell is the safest bet.
Try to understand how entertainment is grey to a lot of people. When you grow up on TV and Radio you feel like you deserve to get it all for free and when your bored and have no money a tiny technicalty isnt going to stop you. The entertainment industry survived blank tapes, and blank cds, and blank dvds, and it will not perish. The sky isn't falling.
Steal and be stolen from: the karma of a thief. I admit I've stolen in the past. I started stealing right after fate stole half my family from me, the ones I was close to. I don't steal anymore but along the way I've lost 20 grand and been scammed by all kinds of con artists and those guys never get in trouble for it.
As for supporting the bands I love, thats an idea I can get behind. Hey if Anthrax or Metallica wanted to crash at my place and avoid having to pay any bills for a while I'd serve them all the while they stayed there.
Theres a lot of injustice in the world. If anything its all the more reason you should find your faith because while the wicked may rule in this life there is nothing for them in the next one. It would be a shame for someone as just as you to go to hell with all the wicked people you despise. Even if you don't believe in God what harm can it do for you to accept that Christ died for you?
Religion seems to contradict itself: Lets assume we are taught to be as moral as possible. Well that includes not believing in something unless you can say for certain its not a lie. THAT is the Atheists absolute regard for truth. Therefore religion is not about truth, its about love.
The divine wanted us to love one another, not kill one another in his name or argue about his true name, what he looks like, and how many of him there are. Doing that is both stupid and pointless. Worship is also pointless. If God wanted worship he would appear before us. Being thankful for life in your heart is worship enough.
But humanity is such that the divine only made things worse: hence the dark ages, the crusades, the inquisition, Islam, etc. Whats the point of even having a church when we don't have a society thats based on brotherly love anymore? There was once a time we didn't have to lock our doors at night, but today we are more and more distant, hateful of one another, have bad families, and criminals. There is a journey that can only begin when you look at the rest of humanity in complete disgust.
Knowledge and belief will not save you in the face of the abyss. Man is not capable of knowing everything so why would salvation have anything to do with knowledge? I believe that even an ignorant cave man can be saved. Its more important for God to believe in you then it is for you to believe in God. God is Love: there are those who have it in their hearts and there are the heartless, and though I cant define them in words I tend to know when I've met one or another.
If he is the creator he can save whoever he wants. Even having the criteria for salvation we are still told not to judge anyone, because we can't. Also, we don't actually go to Heaven. We die and our souls are guarded by angels in profound silence. When Heaven comes to earth after the end of days then we are reborn. So if the end of days doesn't happen then none of this will mean anything. But judging by how bad things are getting and all the bible prophecies that are coming true Id say at this point its going to happen whether we like it or not.
"Nothing worth doing in life is without risk." The Atheist never gambles, but there comes a time in a mans life where he just has to put all his money on black or red and hope it goes his way.
Also check out The Black Mages on Youtube. You'll see concerts and songs, but not the best quality. The 2 CDs they have out ARE worth owning though.
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Post by dailycolbert on Aug 20, 2008 15:23:51 GMT -5
I've heard strong arguments before and yours is a pretty good one, but faith isn't something people have control over. I can't just say I want to believe in God and then I suddenly will. I don't think poorly of Jesus because at the very least he was an excellent person, so maybe that'll help me if God does exist.
And there are other theories too such as one I thought of for a story but don't actually believe:
Satan is God incogneto, and therefore God is unwillingly fulfilling the duty of Satan but lacks the power to tell people so.
In a scenario such as that, not siding with "God" could be the better option.
It's impossible to say what the truth is, and in the end it is a gamble. Unfortunately, I can't believe in God because of what's happened to both me and loved ones, so I'm stuck hoping he doesn't exist... because a world rules by a cruel, vindictive, God (IMO) is worse than one of chaos and anarchy. There have certainly been times when I've hoped there's karmic justice, though, like with GW (for example).
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