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Post by dailycolbert on Aug 16, 2008 21:29:47 GMT -5
I was reading through old topics and someone posted the idea of having a weekly debate. I figured the most important debate right now is who should become president of the U.S., so here's the debate of the week: who do you want to become president of the U.S.?
I want a clean fight. Stick to the topic and don't resort to personal attacks.
I'll weigh in a bit later.
(Doan, if you don't want us to do this, just let me know and I'll stop.)
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Post by raithwall on Aug 17, 2008 1:10:16 GMT -5
Well I answered truthfully "didn't bother to vote" but mark my words Obama is going to win.
If he doesn't I will here and eat my hat. lol
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Post by Doan the Nado on Aug 17, 2008 15:46:41 GMT -5
Honestly, I hate to say this, but I voted McCain. The whole universal health care idea is downright terrifying. I hate the fact that my university requires health insurance, much less my country.
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Post by dailycolbert on Aug 17, 2008 22:22:53 GMT -5
Well, I voted Obama of course. I fear the switch to universal healthcare too, but I fear the rule of George Bush III more. Obama's not the perfect candidate, but I think he's the best we've seen since Kennedy.
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Post by Maindric Games © on Aug 18, 2008 18:28:40 GMT -5
I know I am not old enough to vote, but I do not care for either.
Obama just talks about change, but does not really say what. (From what I seen)
Oh, and Raithwall, uh, you are not voting for him because you do not like where he is from? Wow, that is very judgmental. Very VERY stereotypical of you....
Just to let you all know, I hate politics, and I hate stereotypes....
But eh, I cannot vote, so why bother?
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Post by raithwall on Aug 19, 2008 0:45:29 GMT -5
Oh, and Raithwall, uh, you are not voting for him because you do not like where he is from? Wow, that is very judgmental. Very VERY stereotypical of you.... Just to let you all know, I hate politics, and I hate stereotypes.... How so? He is our senator and I don't like the way things are run here. Based on that I doubt that I would want him in office. I also hate politics and stereotypes. I haven't really followed it all that much so I'll admit my deductions might not apply. If I was voting then I wouldn't be voting for him because I would probably be voting for Ron Paul.
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Post by dailycolbert on Aug 20, 2008 15:09:06 GMT -5
McCain has been a senator in Arizona for something like 20+ years, so he's played a hand in letting things there go sour.
And check out Obama's website for policy proposals. He has been specific, just not on the 30 second commercials or soundbites the TV news plays. In fact as we keep doing these debates and delve into actual issues, I'll be posting what Obama's and McCain's policies are on the various issues... and Obama's will mostly all come straight from his website while McCain's I'll have to paraphrase.
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Post by raithwall on Aug 29, 2008 2:17:28 GMT -5
I don't like either of the candidates, but Im starting to think Obama is going to be for the worse. Many of his changes will affect me and make my life harder.
take a look at his economics policies.
Most of Obama's economic plan involves changing things based purely on the individual.
He wants to increase Capital Gains and dividend taxes across the board. This means that Joe Somebody who wants to save money for his kids college is going to have a much larger percentage shaved off towards the federal government.
He wants to tax ALL home sales in the US. For those of you who don't know, the biggest impact here is the ELDERLY who often downsize their homes in order to profit from the sale and repurchase to add money to their retirement funds.
He wants to add a tax (federal) to all homes over 2400 Square Feet. 2400 Square feet is not large. Its a very small three bed one and a half bath one story house.
Worst, he wants to set up minimum wage to increase YEARLY following inflation. For anyone who's never taken an economics class, rises in minimum wage cause rises in inflation as the cost of goods rises proportionally over time to match their higher expenses in output.
Obama's policies have repeatedly demonstrated a complete and utter ignorance of any form of Economics. Here are some examples of where this money is going to go.
- Bail outs for people who mismanage their credit. - Bail outs for homeowners. - Income tax credits towards people in debt for the complete unspecified term "medical expenses" - Supporting a universal healthcare system which Obama has neither the experience nor apparently the basic knowledge to set up, especially with the completely *%#@ed up state that our privatized hospitals and medical insurance exist in currently.
Go look at Obama's website. It is full of empty and nonsensical processes with absolutely ZERO methodology as to HOW he plans to execute the changes he wants to implement.
Obama is an icon. He is there to appeal to the idea of "change" without rational, possible, positive ideas on how to change anything. He appeals to the lowest income brackets by promising to make our country into a welfare state that punishes economic achievement on ANY level while making it easier and easier for those who wish to prosper not by their efforts but by riding the system to do so.
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Post by dailycolbert on Aug 29, 2008 2:32:08 GMT -5
Did you send him any ideas on how to do things. He's not finished making all his policy proposals because he's listening to his supporters' ideas and concerns. Check it out on the web. I think it's sweet.
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Post by raithwall on Aug 29, 2008 3:14:00 GMT -5
Even If I understood the ridiculously complex heap of technicalities we call the system, theres no way in hell hed listen to me. I don't see anything getting better. Bills, taxes, insurance, its all going up more and more, but pensions and social security aren't. My family is now down to me and my grandfather and one of the major ways we've dealt with not having enough money is moving every 3 or 4 years, selling our house, buying another, and making a good 10-20k just to balance things out for a few years. And when he dies the house will be mine to sell, assuming these vultures don't take everything. I was hoping you'd have a better argument then "hes not done yet" for me because I'm feeling threatened here, maybe even enough to actually cast a vote. Please tell me I'm wrong. That there will be something to make up for slapping another yearly tax on our house, and on home sales. Right now I'm just trying to figure out the lesser of two evils: McCain Arizona, or Obama who sounds like Osama. Also, heres a place where the debate gets pretty heated: forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=11121&sid=1forum is very active and a lot of political topics lately. It's not free to post though.
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Post by dailycolbert on Aug 29, 2008 3:54:30 GMT -5
Thanks for the link. I read through some topics there, but maybe about half of the people just post petty personal insults instead of debating issues. Maybe I should look for a political forum or something.
As for specifics on home sales taxes, I don't have anything. It is true that he's not done though.
Don't forget his middle name. That's very important. lol
And I didn't mean for it to be personal. Sorry if it came off that way.
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Post by Doan the Nado on Sept 14, 2008 23:22:38 GMT -5
Yeah, after seeing a little more stuff here and there, I really don't like McCain/Palin. I was holding out hope that McCain was the renegade guy that he was before 2006 and that he had only changed his behavior in order to get the Republican nomination in a serious bid for the presidency. I really don't like Palin, though; her religious beliefs scares me, her smugness annoys me, and her part in the shady Alaska practices anger me.
Obama seems like a great guy, but all of the policies I heard him talk about involve him increasing the size of government. It's great that he wants to make the government more transparent and to get everyone more involved, but we really get maximal benefit from a smaller federal government. Leave the real (tough) decisions to the people who are best equipped to make them (most familiar with all of the ins and outs of a particular choice).
Obama might be the better of two bad choices in this case. I might vote after all, but mainly because I'm interested in the rest of the ballot.
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