The Pavilion and the Mag....

[doyleman]

some of us need to grow up?

I think it's shown that most (and i'm hoping damien/tacoman) have already.


april fool pranks are notorious for pissing people off. what fun would a prank be if they didn't? sure, we got mad; but it looks like we (levi and I, atleast) have already cooled off; which also happens on april fools day. people get pissed, then they cool off.


I think that's also something that needs to be taken into some consideration.

[The Final Rune]

[white]Alright, I'm starting to real feel like for starting this thread now. Let's all just let it go. It was in bad taste, both moderator's issued apologies and said that never again will any RPG Maker new get released on April Fool's Day. I honestly just needed to vent, and felt like doing it here because I feel more at home the Domain (besides, my stupid AOL ISP won't let me log in to the Pavilion).

Some of us were offended, some of us were not. It wasn't funny and a lot of blame is getting misplaced and blow out of proportion. At least we've all learned a valuable leason. Don't ever believe that Ixzion will get a RPG Maker demo before Valkysas and never make any assumptions or implications from Valkysas' announcements before they are full confirmed .

Please, this is getting out of hand .[/white]

[Valkysas]

So can we all just settle down and be cool with each other now?

[realitybites]

Whatever, if im not aloud to express myself so be it. Bye.

[doyleman]

but you dont even know what your expressing....

literally, re read the announcement.



Valk:

I'm cool with it, now.

[realitybites]

realitybites said:

There is an edit button you know, no need to triple post.


Edit by Doan: Not funny. Nice try, but that was uncalled for.

What the hell? Am I not allowed to post?

Oh well, You're making this out to be much larger and much worse than it actually is. if you decide not to come to the pav anymore because you can't understand what both me and doyleman are trying to say, then that doesnt bother me at all. We've made it seven years without you so far, I think we'll manage.

I never liked your site anyways.

[Valkysas]

k

[The Final Rune]

realitybites said:

There is an edit button you know, no need to triple post.


Edit by Doan: Not funny. Nice try, but that was uncalled for.

[white]Okay, to clear this up, I deleted my posts in between Valkysas to pull my own prank on him. Drew's response worked perfectly with what I was trying to accomplish. He was just responding to my joke (since he was the first person I let in on it).[/white]

[realitybites]

God, I get bitched at for doing a joke with Levi, whatever, if its gonna be like that, then au revoir.

[Neo Samurai]

Well when I found out it was a joke, I was a little surprised, but not upset.

It really isn't a big deal at all. RPGM2 is enough for me.

Just be a little careful there the next time, Valk/Ix. We want to make people laugh on April Fool's Day, not piss them off.

[Rodak]

MY GOD!

I go off to work and come home to this??

Can't I leave you people alone for 8 hours??

Sheesh!

I have just what this thread needs!!!

[BloodKnight]

I'll take 20 boxes, my buns have been a little sticky lately. >_>

[Neo Samurai]

Nah, I'll stick to Preparation H.

[Deleted]

Well, I've come in a bit late, I suppose (3 days = late? ), but here's what I'd like to say on the subject:

First off,
Valk:
"I never said what the "it" was. In other topics about the announcement, I said that it wasnt a new RPG Maker, AND Not RPG Maker 4. I told people straight up that it wasnt a new RPG Maker, no deceptive word usage, no being vague about it."

No deception? Keep reading.

Valk:
"'It can't be helped eh? I doubt that.'
What could I have done? I said it wasnt a new RPG Maker, and that didnt work."

You know what you could have done; everyone does, but just in case you need me to spell it out for you: say that "it wasnt a new RPG Maker" in the topic announcing it instead of some small topic off in the corner of some forum people'd have to search long and hard to find.

Secondly, these parts of posts by other members sum up my thoughts and feelings exactly:

thetruecoolness:
"So in the end practical jokes are a big risk in my opinion, and I think can really undermine the trust built up in a relationship, dependent on size and frequency of them. I personally don't find them worth it, and I don't think this was quite as obvious as they thought it was, as of course when you are in on the joke you see all the signs, however when you're on the other side if you are not scrutinizing every bit of it, it's very likely to miss all the signs. So the things on the Pav were pretty good fun and obviously part of a prank (and kind of done before, so no big surprises there), but I think the announcement of a new RPG Maker was in bad taste, especially after being without one for so long.

I think what was missing was a lot of the fake announcement things magazines like GamePro and such have in their April issues. By all accounts the announcement looked very official, and besides the screenshots (which you would have had to have played RPG Maker 3 to get, or remember the official screens for it), I didn't see a whole lot of signs (yeah he said it was April First, but not everyone feels the need to pull a prank on that day). Also some people may not have caught the news until a couple days before, breaking the this wasn't sudden argument about it.

So in the end, I vote for the deletion of April Fools day as a holiday. Not because of this, just in general. It's a highly counter productive day, and leads to inefficiency caused by a break down of trust. So while it is kind of fun I guess, I think that's overweighed by the fact that no one can really trust anything said or shown on that day, given the perceived need to deceive. Really the funniest thing was people's overreaction to the overreaction to the joke. With some calling those people immature (as if their is an immature reaction to an April Fools prank, it already being fairly immature if we're going to go there), and lacking all sense of humor because they didn't find this one thing funny. So I would hope Ix did not think this would not piss anyone off, or looks like he got fooled today as well."

And lastly, I'd like to improve an already excellent part of one of Nash's posts to make it perfect. THIS IS THE BOTTOM LINE.

Nash:
"No, he didn't lie. He did something much worse: he deceived. Deceit is much worse because [when you deceive someone, you] get to try and brush off the blame [by] saying that it's [their] fault [because they] conjured [up] false ideas, [when in fact your intent from the very beginning was to get those people to conjure up those false ideas.]"

And now, after all this, Valk has made himself look much, much worse by NOT just coming right out and apologizing for deceiving his people.

Nash:
"They wronged their members and the whole rpg maker community as far as I'm concerned."

And on a side-note, the reason why I've always talked about the Pavilion here was that Valk can immaturely edit any posts over there that make him look even the slightest bit bad. You know we've all seen him immaturely edit posts to say stuff like 'I'm an idiot' or 'I just wet myself' when they should say something more like '[edited by Valk]' or '[edited by Valk because...]' (or they should just be deleted it altogether, of course). Anyone remember the 80+ post count topic of raging, spam-ariffic attacks made back and forth between Damien, Valk, and other Pav members when really the topic should have just been deleted/closed at post #1?

There... Is all that pretty much what you would have said, Damien?

[Valkysas]

"And on a side-note, the reason why I've always talked about the Pavilion here was that Valk can immaturely edit any posts over there that make him look even the slightest bit bad. You know we've all seen him immaturely edit posts to say stuff like 'I'm an idiot' or 'I just wet myself'"

I only do that to posts that are nothing but flames, or posting pictures that aren't allowed by the forum's rules. I dont edit any honest crticisms. Look at the topic where you ended up leaving. I never edited any of your comments out. If what you said was true, that I edit posts that make me look even the slightest bit bad, I sure as hell would have done so in that topic.

"Anyone remember the 80+ post count topic of raging, spam-ariffic attacks made back and forth between Damien, Valk, and other Pav members when really the topic should have just been deleted/closed at post #1?"

I remember it, I regret it, I apologized for it, and I should have just deleted the damn topic after it was made.

It was april fool's day, people should have known something was up, they didnt.
The only regret I really have is thinking people knew how to read a calendar.

[realitybites]

I usually don't have time to look at a calendar. I have to work and I have a lot more things on my mind then knowing what date it is.

[Neo Samurai]

I think this thread should be locked.

Really, it wasn't that big of a deal at all. It was a joke and we can all go back to using RPGM2 again.

Let's just put this behind us.

[doyleman]

I knew the date. What got me believing it was the 'mag handling the visual aspects', and because the visual aspects resembled a new maker, and as you said your announcement wasn't false, I went for it.


I agree; I'm sure we'll get it sooner or later, but we have 4 makers to choose from already; which is enough to keep us entertained. I'm suprised that after this long some haven't put it behind them, though.

[Doan the Nado]

Sorry Waka Laka. I was not aware that you and Levi pulled a coordinated "prank" on Valk, and I thought that you were just trying to make him look stupid.

[realitybites]

I didn't know Levi deleted his posts in between his after I posted.

[Bigfoot]

Take it easy you guys, it was just an april fools joke. If you get upset over a "deceitful" joke about a friggin videogame, I'd love to have your problems.