Weekly Debate: How to go about "The War on Terror"

[dailycolbert]

Note the you can select up to 3 options for this poll.

The poll is simple yet complex: how do you think the United States should go about "The War on Terror"? In the end we all want the same thing: world peace (or at least U.S. peace), but how do you think we can obtain it?

FYI

Obama's policy:

don't invade Iran
withdraw from Iraq
open up lines of communication
? on meeting their demands
don't keep indefinitely detaining people
better security here for possible terrorist attacks
pursue AlQueda with cooperation of Pakistani government

McCain's policy:

invade Iran
stay in Iraq
don't open up lines of communication
don't meet their demands (without a line of communication, this is impossible)
keep indefinitely detaining people
better security here for possible terrorist attacks
don't pursue AlQueda with cooperation of Pakistani government

[raithwall]

None of it really matters. This site will make it all clear
www.savethemales.ca/index.html

"There hasn't been a President in the last 100 years who hasn't been controlled by the Rothschilds via the Rockefellers. The ones that resisted were poisoned (Harding); murdered (JFK) or framed (Nixon.)"

Americans have been effectively disenfranchised. They get to vote for the Neo-Con of their choice. Obama's logo is the familiar Illuminati dot in circle & rising sun motif. His motto "Change" as in "change the world" has always been the Left battle cry. The change is to enslavement. George Soros financed Obama in his 2004 Senate race and this Rothschild cut-out is backing him again.

Meanwhile Randy Scheunemann is John McCain's chief foreign policy adviser. He has also worked for the Republic of Georgia and for, yup, none other than George Soros' Open Society Policy Center. (See his Wikipedia entry.) So you see both sides are beholden to the Rothschilds.

In addition, McCain has been accused of taking improper donations from the Rothschilds. Yes folks, Americans have been disenfranchised. But then, slaves always are.

"Our political life is a grotesque carnival designed to convince the rubes they live in a democracy. This is so they will pay taxes and lay down their lives for their betters.

Our rulers have determined that we shall have no real say in our collective future. Like livestock, we will chew our collective cud on sex, drugs, toys and trivia, which they will supply in abundance.

This explains why the mass media (incl. movies) and education long ago ceased to deal in reality, or teach civics or history. Instead they are purveyers of deception and conformity.

The US election is really a job competition where a shortlist of candidates vie for the privilege of deceiving the public and implementing the banker agenda. Even this process is fixed, as the bankers naturally prefer the most corrupt and dissolute and therefore most blackmail-able and obedient leader.

The bankers use the US as the Zionist half of their dialectic leading to world government. At the same time, the US is weakened so it can be properly submerged.

Our world is a B-movie Horror where the town's leading citizens secretly join a satanic cult and betray everybody else. This is essentially the position of people who align themselves with the central bankers, which is a prerequisite for success in most fields today.

This is why so many of our "leaders" are drunks and perverts. They have sold their souls to the devil and know it.


CONCLUSION

Our leadership class belongs to an international satanic cult beholden to the Cabalist (i.e. Masonic) central bankers. The mass media and education systems function to legitimize the criminals, perverts and traitors, I mean "leaders."

Don't doubt for a moment -- mankind has the smarts to solve all its problems but we are being actively sabotaged by the money-masters. Our collective life is a fraud because our national credit is controlled by private banking families. They are inaugurating a new Dark Age that may last for eternity.

The tragic wars that have marred modern history and inflicted unspeakable suffering were caused by a relatively few sick minds who hate God and humanity. Their demented centuries-old plot is entering its final stage.

Putin, Ahmadinejad, Obama and McCain are all stage actors. Rather than getting sucked into this pseudo drama by siding with one side or another, we need to make our own plans. Essentially we are on a bus driven by a psycho. We need to find a way to get off."

[dailycolbert]

I'm still confused. Where are the cold, hard facts?

A few pics of some world leaders making devil signs doesn't mean anything to me. Heck, I'll bet Bush doesn't even know what the sign he's making means.

I realize there is a chance that our presidents are being controlled by people behind the scenes (and that's my fear with this election: that Obama won't get to do what he wants to do because of it), but where's the evidence? And, what's the main point of that article?

[raithwall]

Couple things Id like you to look into: HAARP, Remote Viewing, Web bot, Egregore, Collective Unconscious.

Other then the guy who came out and admitted to everything he and the Rothschilds were doing, I'll look into finding more. Ever wonder how someone could become so devoted to what you'd call a conspiracy? Because the more your mind is open enough to dig, the more you find, the more it fits together, the more people and connections make sense. In the end you wind up with a heap of information and statistics, but I'll admit I'm not sure if there is anything here that is 100% proof, other then that the people he identifies as the bad guys are supporting them at every turn.

Symbols are important, they aren't just there for no reason. Look at how many there are on the dollar bill: the pyramid, novus ordo seclorum which means new world order. Symbols are everything when it comes to secret societies. If during world war II our president wore a Swastika and was against going to war with Hitler would that mean nothing?

The Freemasons is a good start. saw a documentary on the freemasons once. It explained how many of our presidents from Washington all the way to Bush were freemasons, how many important people in other countries were as well, and how certain things were done.

One thing you an rely on though, is that things will be done according to what is profitable and the more money you have to invest the more control over everyone and everything you have, which in turn is used to your advantage to make even more money.

In Europe there is a currency known as digital angel, a chip implant that allows satelites to track us. Theres also cameras on every street corner. I see America and Europe largely becoming more and more police states closing in at every chance taking more of our freedom with them. The final goal of all this is a one world government. When that happens you will remember that I said it would.

Also I side with the Bible, which has a very impressive track record for prophecies coming true especially in this day and age. Over 100. I guess I'm just getting too used to being right to be as completely objective as you. I don't need to have it completely spelled out for me.

I can't prove that any single tree in the forest has moved, but if you can somehow see the forest from the trees you'll see that the entire forest has moved!

[raithwall]

also heres something:

"For those who demand more substantial proof, I spent a half-hour on Google. I learned that Putin is on intimate terms with the head of the largest faction of Russian Jewry, the Chabad Lubavitchers. The Rebbe relates how when young Vlad was hungry, they fed him and he has felt gratitude ever since. Maybe they're still feeding him? Apparently this sect is on the forefront of the NWO."

Then I found the website of an MI-6 defector Richard Tomlinson who trained with young KGB agent Putin. They both learned to serve the Illuminati who were 'born to rule', the self-elected custodians of society.

Putin was brainwashed and controlled by MI-6 and may still be. This may explain his muted reaction to the sinking of the Kursk by the US and the Beslan massacre aided and abetted by MI-6. Tomlinson says Putin was a Royal Arch Freemason but is no longer a Freemason and has broken free of his mind programming.

The main point of that site is to expose the New World Order, and I have nothing but respect for author Henry Makow who has dedicated untold amounts of time and money to this and has written books. I don't know anywhere near as much as he does. The proof is there if you look for it, but that would probably mean reading the whole book.


"I find it amazing how world events are getting closer to what the Bible predicts. The recovery of Russia, her coming back as a military factor, her alliance with the Arabs, it all mirrors the prophecy of Gog and Magog in Ezekiel 38. It says that in the latter days (now) Russia and her allies will try to invade Israel, only to be defeated by a supernatural action from God Himself.
It is interesting that Russia has found evidence of Israeli military activity in Georgia. The prophecy also says that Russia will be brought to the war against her will, or at least, not in the time of her plans. Therefore, even if Putin is now banded with the Illuminati, it could be very reasonable to say that circumstances may force him to take the other side. He seems to be capable of that.
Check these sites for more info:
www.tribulation.com/gogmagog.htm
www.prophezine.com/Default.aspx?tabid=266

It seems that God's deliverance of Israel will be the last warning and chance for Israel to repent. After that, during the end times Tribulation, 2/3 of the Jews will die under the hand of the Antichrist (the leader of the Illuminati occult forces)."

[dailycolbert]

Okay, I retract my previous statement. Kudos.

I'll ask my friend, who has told me many similar things as you have, about Henry Makow and see what he says.

[raithwall]

Of course your still right: we should be looking for cold hard facts.

Heres something interesting: apparantly America financed Hitler and World War 2 was a hoax.

Wallstreet and the Rise of the Hitler
reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/index.html

some chapter titles:

Wallstreet paves the way for Hitler
General Electric funds Hitler
Standard Oil duels War World II
I.T.T Works both sides of the War
Putzi: friend of Hitler and Roosevelt

Theres a whole bunch of appendix and such, I can't tell you whether or not the references check out, I haven't even clicked on the chapters. Lets just say it doesn't surprise me.